The stuff needs to be banned. It’s a bloody disgrace that it’s being sold in the first place !! Poisoning wildlife is a crime against nature ! The insecticide that kills bees should be banned too , another crime !!Governments know what’s poison and what’s not !
Hi all. I just wanted to comment here too on how difficult it is to get convictions in cases like this. Unfortunately it is extremely dfficult to prove with certainty who actually commits the crime, in this case which individual (and in wildlife crime cases like this the law prosecutes individuals) actually laid the poison with the intent of killing a protected bird of prey - there are never witnesses, very little in the way of forensic evidence, and keepers never reveal crimes they undoubtedly know about. Should the police go after the estate owner? Landowners in England have fiercely fought against the implementation of 'vicarious liability' (in other words, the estate where a crime had been committed could be considered liable for the actions of its employees) - but even though Scotland has had VL for some years there have hardly been any convictons at all: estates simply say, 'I instructed my employees not to break the law' , and if they hold even one hour's worth of instruction on the law etc it is (as I understand it) incredibly difficult for a court to then prove that an employer or estate owner is liable. Bendiocarb is fast acting but I don't think there is sufficient documentary evidence to claim with certainty that the bird DIDN'T ingest poison and then fly a few miles before dropping dead, which makes it even more difficult to prove where exactly the poison was laid and by whom. It is incredibly frustrating - wildlife crimes are covered in a fog of uncertainty that our current laws and current judicial system can't penetrate. We can suspect all we like that this bird was killed to 'protect' pheasants (the buzzard was found in August just before the shooting season started) but unless the police have evidence we don't know about (and they may) it's going to very hard indeed to prove it - and I don't think anyone would seriously argue that laws that protect us as citizens should be applied differently to shooting estates or their employers. Don't get me wrong, I want these crimes to stop, I want shooting to end, but I don't want to give wildlife criminals a platform to claim they're being treated unfairly either. We need more resources put into tackling these crimes, we need people within the shooting industry (while it lasts) to speak up and hand over criminals, we need shooters to make it clear they want nothing to do with wildlife crime instead of looking the other way as thye largely do now. and we need the schools/colleges that train these people to understand that birds of prey have a rightful place in any landscape and ecosystem in the country. Most of all we need to get rid of the shooting industry, but at least while we're doing that we should expect it to clean its bloody act up.
What was the nearest estate / pheasant shoot to where this red kite was found? The rural crime team might like to obtain a warrant and search the gamekeepers shed. I wonder what they might find there?
Hi Dave. We deliberately didn't mention an estate because speculating about wealthy landowners can be - er, 'legally tricky', but there are some enormous pheasant shoots within a few miles (saying that, it's hard to go anywhere in Norfolk and not be close to a bloody shooting estate though).
There are so many horrific sadistic worthless people in this world who care about nothing but themselves. Here in the USA we have vicious sadistic monsters who are murdering our wolves and bears and wild horses and spreading horrible insecticides everywhere which is killing our pollinators and birds of prey and the Fish and Wildlife are pushing to even have hunting on Sundays. It is absolutely sickening. Your fox hunting people are atrocious just like our vicious people
Get another creature Murdered! Banning poisons and insecticides HAS to happen. I know someone who lost all her bees after a patch of wild flowers was sprayed. If this carries on we are done for.
I spoke to a neighbour about poison and the knock on effect e.g. If an Owl picks up a rat, mouse or vole that has eaten poison and takes it back for chicks , that's it for them all.. She hadn't thought of that.
Sadly these Evil huggers know what they are doing. Need stringing up!
It's the same old story, the "SICK" "DISGUSTING" "SUB HUMAN" who think they have the right to "KILL" our "BIRDS of PREY" or any other "WILDLIFE", it's more than likely the rich "TOFFS", who I assume are "HIGHLY EDUCATED" (???) but at the same time are as "THICK as two PLANKS", they pass on there orders to "LOWLY" staff, to do the "KILLING" for them, "OH GOLLY GOSH" we are so up with "AUTHORITY" such as "GOVERNMENT" "JUDGES" "HIGH RANKING POLICE", that we are the "UNTOUCHABLES", that's part of the "CORRUPTION" in this our "GREAT CORRUPT UNITED KINGDOM", no one in any "AUTHORITY", gives a "SHIT" about "NATURES" most "AMAZING" "RAPTUROUS" "BRILLIANT" I could go on and on "WILDLIFE", what a "SICK" "DISGUSTING" group of "WILDLIFE" "KILLERS/MURDERERS" they are, "YES" I know they are "SAVAGES", but "SICK" "SAVAGES"
The government must ban all hunting and all killing of all animals. It is murder (no more no less) to kill a living being, and the government must recognise this and ban these murders. Non-human animals have the same right to life as we do.
What heartless bastards, what a cruel, painful death, i only hope it was quick. They ought to be made to ingest their own poison when caught, if guilty beyond doubt. What other creatures lives are theu risking??, apart from wild animals, your dogs??? My dogs??? Sorry, but my measures are extreme, so are theirs.
The stuff needs to be banned. It’s a bloody disgrace that it’s being sold in the first place !! Poisoning wildlife is a crime against nature ! The insecticide that kills bees should be banned too , another crime !!Governments know what’s poison and what’s not !
Hi all. I just wanted to comment here too on how difficult it is to get convictions in cases like this. Unfortunately it is extremely dfficult to prove with certainty who actually commits the crime, in this case which individual (and in wildlife crime cases like this the law prosecutes individuals) actually laid the poison with the intent of killing a protected bird of prey - there are never witnesses, very little in the way of forensic evidence, and keepers never reveal crimes they undoubtedly know about. Should the police go after the estate owner? Landowners in England have fiercely fought against the implementation of 'vicarious liability' (in other words, the estate where a crime had been committed could be considered liable for the actions of its employees) - but even though Scotland has had VL for some years there have hardly been any convictons at all: estates simply say, 'I instructed my employees not to break the law' , and if they hold even one hour's worth of instruction on the law etc it is (as I understand it) incredibly difficult for a court to then prove that an employer or estate owner is liable. Bendiocarb is fast acting but I don't think there is sufficient documentary evidence to claim with certainty that the bird DIDN'T ingest poison and then fly a few miles before dropping dead, which makes it even more difficult to prove where exactly the poison was laid and by whom. It is incredibly frustrating - wildlife crimes are covered in a fog of uncertainty that our current laws and current judicial system can't penetrate. We can suspect all we like that this bird was killed to 'protect' pheasants (the buzzard was found in August just before the shooting season started) but unless the police have evidence we don't know about (and they may) it's going to very hard indeed to prove it - and I don't think anyone would seriously argue that laws that protect us as citizens should be applied differently to shooting estates or their employers. Don't get me wrong, I want these crimes to stop, I want shooting to end, but I don't want to give wildlife criminals a platform to claim they're being treated unfairly either. We need more resources put into tackling these crimes, we need people within the shooting industry (while it lasts) to speak up and hand over criminals, we need shooters to make it clear they want nothing to do with wildlife crime instead of looking the other way as thye largely do now. and we need the schools/colleges that train these people to understand that birds of prey have a rightful place in any landscape and ecosystem in the country. Most of all we need to get rid of the shooting industry, but at least while we're doing that we should expect it to clean its bloody act up.
What was the nearest estate / pheasant shoot to where this red kite was found? The rural crime team might like to obtain a warrant and search the gamekeepers shed. I wonder what they might find there?
Hi Dave. We deliberately didn't mention an estate because speculating about wealthy landowners can be - er, 'legally tricky', but there are some enormous pheasant shoots within a few miles (saying that, it's hard to go anywhere in Norfolk and not be close to a bloody shooting estate though).
Yes-why can’t those estate people be punished and prosecuted? They are NOT above the law. It is absolutely despicable
There are so many horrific sadistic worthless people in this world who care about nothing but themselves. Here in the USA we have vicious sadistic monsters who are murdering our wolves and bears and wild horses and spreading horrible insecticides everywhere which is killing our pollinators and birds of prey and the Fish and Wildlife are pushing to even have hunting on Sundays. It is absolutely sickening. Your fox hunting people are atrocious just like our vicious people
Get another creature Murdered! Banning poisons and insecticides HAS to happen. I know someone who lost all her bees after a patch of wild flowers was sprayed. If this carries on we are done for.
I spoke to a neighbour about poison and the knock on effect e.g. If an Owl picks up a rat, mouse or vole that has eaten poison and takes it back for chicks , that's it for them all.. She hadn't thought of that.
Sadly these Evil huggers know what they are doing. Need stringing up!
People are so ignorant and care only about themselves. All of you good people have to get together and stop these vicious selfish estate owners
It's the same old story, the "SICK" "DISGUSTING" "SUB HUMAN" who think they have the right to "KILL" our "BIRDS of PREY" or any other "WILDLIFE", it's more than likely the rich "TOFFS", who I assume are "HIGHLY EDUCATED" (???) but at the same time are as "THICK as two PLANKS", they pass on there orders to "LOWLY" staff, to do the "KILLING" for them, "OH GOLLY GOSH" we are so up with "AUTHORITY" such as "GOVERNMENT" "JUDGES" "HIGH RANKING POLICE", that we are the "UNTOUCHABLES", that's part of the "CORRUPTION" in this our "GREAT CORRUPT UNITED KINGDOM", no one in any "AUTHORITY", gives a "SHIT" about "NATURES" most "AMAZING" "RAPTUROUS" "BRILLIANT" I could go on and on "WILDLIFE", what a "SICK" "DISGUSTING" group of "WILDLIFE" "KILLERS/MURDERERS" they are, "YES" I know they are "SAVAGES", but "SICK" "SAVAGES"
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I agree completely. It is so sickening and heartbreaking and there are so many vicious worthless people
The government must ban all hunting and all killing of all animals. It is murder (no more no less) to kill a living being, and the government must recognise this and ban these murders. Non-human animals have the same right to life as we do.
What heartless bastards, what a cruel, painful death, i only hope it was quick. They ought to be made to ingest their own poison when caught, if guilty beyond doubt. What other creatures lives are theu risking??, apart from wild animals, your dogs??? My dogs??? Sorry, but my measures are extreme, so are theirs.